Throughout its first season, Strange New Worlds gave us a number of different plot and character threads. We had some development of the Spock-T’Pring relationship, we had Pike dealing with his foreknowledge of his eventual fate as a disabled person, we had the threat of the Gorn, we had the revelation that Number One is genetically engineered and has been hiding it and we also had way too goddamn little of Number One, we had a potential recurring adversary in Captain Angel and the crew of the Serene Squall, as well as Spock’s half-brother Sybok, we had Uhura trying to figure out if she wants to continue with Starfleet, we had M’Benga trying to save his daughter, we had La’an dealing with the weight of her ancestry, we had Pike’s attempt at a relationship with Batel, and we had Chapel’s crush on Spock.
Only some of that got followed up on in a most uneven sophomore season.
First, let’s talk about what we didn’t see, which was any kind of followup to “The Serene Squall,” which is maddening, as that episode very obviously teased us for a sequel. I suppose it’s possible that Jesse James Keitel wasn’t available to return as Captain Angel. Still, this is the problem with having only a ten-episode season, there are limits as to how many different balls you can juggle.
Sadly, they do follow up on the Gorn. There are two problems here. One is that this version of the Gorn and the Federation having this much contact with them both seem to contradict the original series’ “Arena.” In particular, portraying the Gorn as force-of-nature monsters that indiscriminately kill everything in its path and use other living beings to gestate their eggs is at odds with the hopeful message of cooperation in “Arena” (not to mention the implication of future peace and harmony implied by Cestus III being established as a thriving Federation world in the twenty-fourth century in DS9’s “Family Business”). The biggest sin, though, is that the Gorn as reimagined by SNW are incredibly boring. I could possibly live with the contradiction with “Arena” if it was in service of a nifty set of stories, but instead we’ve gotten three action-adventure tales, only one of which was worth spending an hour watching (“Memento Mori” last season), and the other two of which are, in your humble reviewer’s opinion, the two worst SNW episodes to date (last season’s “All Those Who Wander” and this season’s finale “Hegemony”).
Thankfully, Pike’s future knowledge—which was pretty much played out by the time it was dealt with in “A Quality of Mercy” with its timeline-shifting shenanigans—is not a theme this season, only briefly mentioned in “Those Old Scientists,” when Pike is talking to two Starfleet officers from the future who also know his fate. (More on that Lower Decks crossover in a bit.) And Uhura has definitely settled in as a career Starfleet officer, now an ensign and kicking ass at the communications console (though her grief over Hemmer comes up a few times, most notably in “Lost in Translation”).

Number One’s arrest at the end of the first season is dealt with in the second episode, and while I still don’t think Rebecca Romijn is getting nearly enough screen time, she absolutely kills it in “Ad Astra per Aspera,” which beautifully chronicles her court-martial. After that, we see more of her actually acting as first officer (particularly effectively in “Lost in Translation” and “Under the Cloak of War”), which is welcome.
La’an’s development continues nicely, as she has a wacky time-travel adventure with an alternate-timeline version of Jim Kirk, falls in love with him, watches him die, and then realizes that a relationship with the mainline version of Kirk isn’t in the cards, as he’s involved with Carol Marcus at this point (a nice continuity hit with the Kirk-Marcus backstory established in The Wrath of Khan). But she isn’t discouraged, instead realizing that being open and friendly to people might be something she can try with someone who isn’t her mentor. (Number One is pretty much the only person she’s ever able to open up with.)
Ortegas doesn’t get much to do, though she gets a fun partial spotlight in “Among the Lotus Eaters” where she comes to appreciate her importance as the person who flies the ship. One thing this show and Discovery have both done is remember the importance of pilots, as the skills of Ortegas and Detmer are both nicely integrated into the storylines, something only Voyager got right previously with Paris. The original series’ Sulu and Enterprise’s Mayweather were always spoken of as great pilots, but those skills were rarely in evidence onscreen, the former due to the nature of supporting characters in 1960s television, the latter due to the writers never following up on what the series bible established about the character. Meanwhile, TNG had a rotating cast of pilots for most of its run, few of whom had the chance to make an impression before being promoted (La Forge), going to the Academy (Wes Crusher), or not being in enough episodes (Ro), while DS9 mostly had Dax be the default pilot on the rare occasions one was needed…
With the gratuitous and unnecessary and unsatisfying death of Hemmer last season, we get a new chief engineer in Carol Kane’s delightful Pelia, an immortal eccentric, who gets some of the season’s best scenes, interactions, and lines. And Pike and Batel’s relationship plays a more central role this season, with some delightful scenes between Anson Mount and Melanie Scrofano (and also between Mount and Romijn when Number One whups her captain upside the head when he’s being a doofus).

One of the best things about this season is that SNW truly embraces its status as a part of the greater Trek universe. This is a show that is, simultaneously, a spinoff of Discovery, a prequel to the original series, and the TV series that “The Cage” was a pilot for.
The first of those is seen in “The Broken Circle” and “Under the Cloak of War,” where we see the fallout from the Klingon war that occurred during Discovery’s first season. It’s established that Ortegas, Chapel, and M’Benga all served in that conflict, as well as possibly some other members of the crew, although the Enterprise in general and Pike, Number One, and Spock in particular we know from Discovery’s “Brother” did not participate in the war, kept in reserve.
M’Benga and Chapel, however, served in a field hospital on J’gal, the site of a brutal massacre. The PTSD they both share from that experience is first hinted at in “The Broken Circle” and then explicated in flashbacks in “Under the Cloak of War,” giving us one of Trek’s strongest meditations on the cost of war since DS9’s “The Siege of AR-558,” “In the Pale Moonlight,” and “It’s Only a Paper Moon.” That episode also shows where M’Benga first had the notion of storing someone in the transporter buffer (he did it for difficult patients who couldn’t get the treatment they needed immediately), a solution he used on his daughter, as well. We also find out that his background is with a special-ops team that he quit to go into medicine.
The show’s status as an original series prequel is embraced in numerous ways, mostly in terms of setting things up (and/or recontextualizing) for the show that started it all. There’s the obvious: the presence of Spock, Uhura, and Chapel in the main cast and Sam Kirk as a recurring regular, all of whose futures we know. We also get appearances by Jim Kirk in “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow,” “Lost in Translation,” and “Subspace Rhapsody,” all of which nicely presage his future as captain of the ship. My favorite is at the end of “Lost in Translation” when Uhura introduces Kirk to Spock, the episode itself establishing the beginnings of Kirk and Uhura’s friendship by the future captain helping out the ensign. I particularly love the casual-ness of it: just Uhura introducing her new friend to another colleague. It’s a very realistically prosaic beginning to a friendship that will be a cornerstone of the franchise.

Speaking of Spock, his relationships with T’Pring and Chapel take major steps forward (or backward, depending on how you look at it). In T’Pring’s case, she back off from Spock when he proves unwilling to trust T’Pring with important information—to wit, that Spock had been made human by extradimensional aliens in “Charades.” Spock disguised himself to pretend to still be Vulcan for the sake of meeting T’Pring’s parents, but T’Pring herself should’ve been in on it.
After that, Spock decides to explore his humanity a bit, and also follow up on his own feelings for Chapel, which have only intensified over the course of the season—as has hers for him. But it proves a difficult road. Partly that’s because Spock being more human takes away a big part of what attracted Chapel to him. Partly that’s because Spock is unable to help Chapel through her own PTSD difficulties when a Klingon diplomat visits in “Under the Cloak of War.” And partly that’s because Boimler was so completely confused by Spock’s human experimentation in “Those Old Scientists,” meaning that someone who knew all about Spock’s entire life (which will extend for another century-and-a-quarter) saw that behavior as aberrant and not a major part of his life.
Spock and Chapel’s relationship seems to end in “Subspace Rhapsody,” the musical episode, which is an absolute delight. The best-written song in the bunch is Spock’s solo “I’m the X,” which has magnificent wordplay, with Spock saying both “I’m the ex,” as in ex-boyfriend, and “I’m the X,” meaning he’s the variable in the equation.
In general, Ethan Peck and the writers are doing magnificent work in showing a much younger Spock. Taking their cue from Spock’s big smile in “The Cage” (done, admittedly, because the notion of Vulcan suppression of emotions hadn’t been codified yet), the writers are doing a wonderful job of showing how Spock came to be the guy we all know and love in the original series and followup movies.
The same with Uhura, and the musical episode is one of two major turning points for the communications officer, the other being “Lost in Translation.” In both cases, the writers embrace Uhura’s role as the center of the ship’s community. Celia Rose Gooding is absolutely nailing the role, particularly in “Subspace Rhapsody,” where Uhura’s love of music—a long-established part of Uhura’s character from the beginning, making use of the late great Nichelle Nichols’ singing chops—is what catalyzes the plot and also saves the day. (Gooding is a phenomenal singer, too, though my favorite moment in the whole episode is her big smile as she bops along to the music with everyone singing.)

In addition, the episode “Among the Lotus Eaters” works nicely as a semi-sequel to “The Cage.” That first pilot for the original series had the Enterprise heading to base after a brutal mission to Rigel VII. “…Lotus Eaters” is a sequel to that mission—prior to 2019, it was the only other onscreen adventure of Pike’s Enterprise we knew about besides the mission to Talos IV.
On top of that, we get a full-on crossover between this show and LD thanks to time-travel shenanigans. It’s a near-perfect crossover, working as both an SNW episode and an LD episode.
For all that I’ve praised the season as a whole, there are issues. For starters, while it was apparently dictated by Mount needing some time off due to the birth of his child, Pike feels like a supporting character this season, which is only an issue insofar as Mount’s Pike is fabulous, and more of him is better than less of him. They establish in “The Broken Circle” that Pelia is friends with Amanda Grayson. But in Mia Kirshner’s one and only appearance this season as Amanda, “Charades,” Kane doesn’t appear as Pelia, which is a massively blown opportunity. Speaking of that, while “Charades” has important character stuff for Spock and Chapel, the episode itself is a sitcommy disaster.
It’s interesting, I’ve had mixed feelings about the season as I’ve been watching it, but looking back on it, despite the weaknesses, I have an overall positive feeling about it. While some episodes are better than others—from the peaks of “Ad Astra per Aspera,” which is a top-twenty Trek episode of all time, in my opinion, to the valleys of “Hegemony” and its tired action plot—what has remained consistent and strong is the development of the characters.

In fact, what we’re seeing is the solidifying of a family. Ortegas is the party animal who nonetheless can always be counted on to do what needs to be done when you ask her. La’an is the troubled loner who is shocked to find out that she has a support system who will help her. M’Benga is the tormented warrior who is trying to atone. Chapel is the brilliant polymath who is constantly searching for a new thing to learn (she applies for two different fellowships during this season, one of which she gets, with Dr. Roger Korby, whom we already know from the original series’ “What Are Little Girls Made Of?”) will become her fiancé) and has trouble maintaining connections. Uhura is the one always there to help, the glue holding the family together. Spock is the nerdy teenager who is still trying to figure out what kind of grown-up he’s going to be.
And at the top of it all are Captain Daddy and Auntie Una.
That generally positive feeling about season two is leavened by its ending, which is a less-than-compelling cliffhanger, compounded by the could-not-have-been-foreseen-when-they-wrote-it strikes by writers and actors that means it could be years, plural, before we see season three. In and of itself, that’s not an issue, as the strike is for very good reason, but the cliffhanger itself is weak sauce.
But whenever they do come back, they’ll be welcome. This is a family we need more of for damn sure. And maybe more episodes in a season so that we can spend more time with them?
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It’s weak points notwithstanding, this has been some of the best Star Trek in two generations.
I wonder why they made Pelia a whole new near-immortal humanoid species when they already had a near-immortal humanoid species available to use – the el-Aurians. It’s a recurring whinge for me. Stop inventing new alien species who only have one definable trait, when there are plenty of already-established alien races who you could flesh out further by adding more traits – you know, like actual people have.
I could’ve lived without the Gorn being in SNW, but they’re there now so I think part two should open from the Gorn’s perspective, y’know, let us see their world. If nothing else I wish they wouldn’t just make them “REPTOID ALIENS BAD!” monsters. But outside of a weak season premiere and the whole Gorn thing season was alright.
@2/DS9Continuing: I don’t think anyone ever said El-Aurians are near-immortal, just that they’re long-lived. We know Guinan’s well over 500, but I got the sense she was relatively young in “Time’s Arrow.” Pelia is at least 3000 years old.
@3/loungeshep: Well, at least we’ve got Linus over on Discovery representing for nice reptiloid aliens.
Peaks and valleys is right…the court martial episode is one of the best while (in my opinion) the musical is on a list of worst episodes episode. Overall I was not blown away by any episodes in one way or another other than the aformentioned two and the LD crossover (that I did like) and the bullshit of Charades. I too would prefer if so much time wasn’t spent on Alien vs Star Trek…err the Gorn.
I think the biggest problem this season had was that Pike is such a non-factor in the first three episodes – especially the first one. You can see the strings in that all of his scenes are either him alone in a room or a brief two-hander with Spock where he hands over command. Even the scenes in the second episode seemed like they’d been filmed a long time after the main scenes with Una in the courtroom.
Overall, I felt like the use of Una was improved over Season One and I liked the revelations about M’Benga’s service history.
I still feel like the show has yet to deliver a truly bad episode, but this season was definitely a small step down from the first one.
My biggest question about the Pike/Batel relationship is whether he’s told her about his future. It was obvious he hadn’t in the series opener and feels like a moment that would be important to show the audience
I totally agree that next season we need more episodes, 16 or even 20 would be incredible. There was so much from season 1 that I totally forgot happened because it wasn’t followed up in season 2, especially the tease of Sybok.
Also, it should have been mentioned that we got another TOS character appearance in one Montgomery Scott! I hope so hard that he becomes a regular in season 3!
“I totally agree that next season we need more episodes, 16 or even 20 would be incredible. There was so much from season 1 that I totally forgot happened because it wasn’t followed up in season 2, especially the tease of Sybok.”
definitely especially since they are still shoehorning in filler garbage episodes of silly shit which is even worse since we only get 10 episodes of 22 or 26 for prior Trek
“Also, it should have been mentioned that we got another TOS character appearance in one Montgomery Scott! I hope so hard that he becomes a regular in season 3!”
Actually I disagree with you on this point I am tired of established TOS characters popping up. While I have nothing against Babs Olusanmokun I think I would like the CMO character a lot more if it wasn’t some guy we saw on TOS twice. I do like Cadet Uhura but wish they had created a new character for that, ditto for Chapel.
I found this to be almost exactly as good as season 1. What was good was still good (performances, character development, an atmosphere that is at once breezy and dramatic and experimental) and what was bad is still bad (the Gorn episode – I totally agree that the worst thing about the new Gorn is that they’re boring, which is saying something since the old Gorn was just a guy in a cumbersome rubber suit who moved slowly and only had a couple of lines).
Overall I’ve really enjoyed SNW and can’t wait to find out what happens next (in 2025 or whenever).
ARGH. I meant to mention Scotty after I talked about Kirk and then totally forgot. Sigh.
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
One of the biggest failings of the season was that it didn’t live up to the title. Where were the strange new worlds? Where were the interesting alien civilizations? There were too many stories driven by continuity, whether from SNW itself, TOS, or Discovery, and not enough standalone science fiction adventures or original settings. “Among the Lotus Eaters” did develop an alien world, but it doesn’t get full points since it was just as much “Hey, let’s pick up on that throwaway line about Pike’s dead yeoman from ‘The Cage.'” “Charades” and “Lost in Translation” both gave us new aliens, but they were unseen and served as plot devices to drive the character stories. At least half the episodes took place mostly or entirely aboard the Enterprise, and the few planets we got weren’t much to write home about.
And while I wasn’t that fond of “The Serene Squall,” I agree that the failure to pick up on the Sybok tease was a disappointment. They definitely need longer seasons. I get that the season length is Anson Mount’s preference so he can spend time with his family, but the whole point of having an ensemble cast is that you don’t have to center on a single lead character and can give the actors more free time.
@10 said: definitely especially since they are still shoehorning in filler garbage episodes of silly shit which is even worse since we only get 10 episodes of 22 or 26 for prior Trek
Not gonna rehash the discussion of longer vs. shorter seasons here. What I will say is that – for me – the “silly shit” was infinitely better than the plot-heavy first and last episodes of the season, and did a lot of the hard work of building characters
@13 said: And while I wasn’t that fond of “The Serene Squall,” I agree that the failure to pick up on the Sybok tease was a disappointment.
Sybok is a pretty difficult character to get a handle on – particularly in a season in which Spock is doing his own experimentation with emotion. I imagine that with his rededication to Vulcan logic coming up soon, it might be better in terms of dramatic conflict to have Sybok show up to rattle a Spock recentl rededicated to logic.
It certainly seems to be….too short a season….
But seriously, 15 episodes in the modern era would seem to be a better sweet spot then ten.
My only real problem with SNW overall is the Gorn. The Gornomorphs are not hitting. I mean sure a revamp may be called for, they don’t need to look like a Power Rangers monster of the week, but they’re using sapient living people as part of their procreation.
On the whole there’s so much to love about this show, so I say, after the strikes are over I can’t wait for them to start cooking again.
@13 I heard this complaint leveled during season 1–“It’s called ‘Strange New Worlds,’ so where are the strange new worlds?”
To which I’d reply, “It’s called ‘Fargo,’ but why does it take place everywhere else? It’s called “Star Wars,” but why are they always on planets? It’s called ‘Brazil,’ but they never go to Brazil! Why is it called ‘Star Trek: The Next Generation’ when everyone in that show is at least three generations after the first show’s crew?”
I can definitely see how the title would imply one thing to not pay off on it, and I can understand if anyone who really wanted to have it be “new weird alien planet” every week didn’t get that, but it’s not a new thing (even with sci-fi and Trek itself), and I’m OK with it. If you promise me tacos but we end up going for pizza instead, and it’s really good pizza, I’ll forgive not getting tacos.
Hmm…more of Una, particularly as a First Officer–and I think “Auntie Una” is head-on how Romijn is playing her (and they really suit her strengths as an actor).
Loved La’an’s development—would never have guess that she’s become a favorite of mine.
I think Kirk has just a LITTLE too many appearances for me…but I’m very happy that they are highlighting some of Kirk’s underappreciated character qualities. This Kirk is GOOD at handling people. You can see how and why his subordinates develop a fierce loyalty to him (something probably not possible in a series—you cannot see either Kirk or Pike deal that much with unnamed subordinates—you spend that characterization on the named actors you hire as regulars).
And, yeah, I’m not enthused about the Gorn as ongoing antagonists. Again, another area where more episodes would help in that…
After the first season I had high hopes for this one, hopes that were not, for the most part, realised.
To give credit where it’s due, Under the Cloak of War saw Trek on top its game, asking the big questions and not afraid to face the issues. I wouldn’t want a steady diet of it. It was brutal, and an hour was enough.
Then there was Ad Astra per Aspera. This was an episode that had the potential to be great Trek, but turned out only to be good Trek, probably because of time constraints. There were a lot of important questions that were ignored or just skimmed over. This episode was a good eight out of ten, but could have been so much more had they had the nerve to give it the two episodes it needed.
Other commenters have remarked that we could have done with more nuance being created with existing cultures, rather than creating another one-dimensional one. I agree. This goes as much for the Klingons (I want to know about Klingons who are not suffering from testosterone poisoning – the doctors, the engineers, and so forth*) as it does for the El-Aurians. What is it about Klingon culture that prevented them from having the kind of global nuclear war that set both Humans and the Vulcans so far back?
I hope they can find a way of retconning the Gorn without insulting my intelligence.
Speaking of insulting my intelligence, first we had Among the Lotus Eaters, which made no internal sense, followed by Charades. By the time we reached the end of that utterly execrable cartoon crossover I was considering giving up. How did someone as utterly unprofessional as Boimler make it into Starfleet Academy? His friend, whose name I have forgotten, wasn’t much better. Is nepotism alive and well, because I can think of no other explanation? If the goal of this dross was to encourage me to watch the cartoon, they failed utterly.
Last, but not quite least, because the cartoon one was so bad, was the badly misconceived Subspace Rhaposdy. This was another episode that made no sense, with an incoherent explanation for an excuse to have them singing. I may be biased by the fact that musicals have never been to my taste, but what really wrecked it was Chapel’s decision to dump Spock because she wants to go on a three-month fellowship, something Spock, the first to respect curiosity and intellectual enquiry would accept, and look forward to her return. This is on the basis of a remark by Boimler, who can only know Spock by reputation, several generations removed. Just what parts of the timeline did he mess up, with no repercussions?
I hope those greedy bosses will soon agree to pay the writers and others what they deserve to produce the good Trek they are capable of when given the space to do.
*Worf, raised by Humans, and Torres, who is half Human, don’t count.
@19:
I got some bad news for ya: all of this season was written, produced and scheduled months and months before the strikes, so whether you love it or not-love it, what you’ve seen is essentially what you’re going to get from this team.
@20. There was some good Trek in this season. Those writers deserve all credit for that good Trek. The question is whether it’s worth wading through the bad and execrable Trek to reach it.
@17/CC: “I heard this complaint leveled during season 1–“It’s called ‘Strange New Worlds,’ so where are the strange new worlds?”
To which I’d reply, “It’s called ‘Fargo,’ but why does it take place everywhere else? It’s called “Star Wars,” but why are they always on planets? It’s called ‘Brazil,’ but they never go to Brazil! Why is it called ‘Star Trek: The Next Generation’ when everyone in that show is at least three generations after the first show’s crew?””
That’s unfair. It’s not that we blindly expect the show to conform literally to its title — it’s that we want the show to live up to the promise of its chosen title. At least for myself, I feel that modern Trek is way too dependent on nostalgia for its past, and I’m tired of that and want to see the franchise move forward with new stories and ideas.
And we actually did get a nice selection of strange new worlds and species in season 1. The pilot gave us Kiley 279. “Children of the Comet” offered the comet M’hanit, its Shepherds, and a glimpse at the Persephone III civilization. “Ghosts of Illyria” gave us the Illyrian colony. “Memento Mori” features a brown dwarf, which is a world of a sort, an exotic environment not featured in Trek before. “Spock Amok” gave us the R’ongovians, as well as a nice look at Starbase 1, a previously unexplored “world” of its own. “Lift Us…” gave us Majalis. “The Serene Squall” was mostly in space, but we got a glimpse of the Vulcan rehabilitation retreat at Omicron Lyrae. “The Elysian Kingdom” featured the sentiences of the nebula, and explored the “world” of Rukiya’s children’s book. “All Those Who Wander” had the ice planet, though it was a minor part of the story.
But what did we get in season 2? A shared UFP/Klingon mining colony. A brief glimpse of an Illyrian colony and an Earth courtroom. Present-day Toronto. Rigel VII from “The Cage.” A hitherto-unknown space anomaly in Vulcan’s system with barely-glimpsed customer-service aliens. Extradimensional beings in a nebula who were only inferred to exist. A barren rock with a time portal on it. A flashback planet that was nothing but a backdrop for a war story. And a colony replicating 20th-century North America for ease of location filming. The creativity that went into new settings and species in season 1 was mostly absent in season 2. The settings weren’t even as visually impressive this season.
So no, it’s not just about taking the title literally. It’s about being disappointed that season 2 didn’t offer as much novelty and creativity as season 1 did. SNW was refreshing in season 1 because it was a throwback to the days of strong episodic storytelling, self-contained stories that stand on their own as worthwhile tales. That’s something we don’t see enough of in these serial-happy times. This season was still basically episodic, but its episodes mostly relied on ongoing character threads or the revisiting of past continuity elements, with less in the way of new concepts. It feels like the writers are falling back into the conventional habits of modern TV writing.
@20/Puff: “I got some bad news for ya: all of this season was written, produced and scheduled months and months before the strikes, so whether you love it or not-love it, what you’ve seen is essentially what you’re going to get from this team.”
Not necessarily. Part of the reason for the strike is that the changes in the industry have eroded the traditional writing-room system, reduced the amount of time that writers other than the showrunner are allowed to spend on a show, and prevented writers from being on set to shepherd their scripts through production. All of that has the potential to negatively impact the quality of a show’s writing and execution. So if the strikers get what they want, it won’t just be a return to the pre-strike status quo, but will probably make for better-written and better-made shows overall.
Definitely echoing the comments to the effect that the main problem with this series is that the seasons are too damn short. I think 20 episodes would be more appropriate. I would also echo the complaint that we need more strange new worlds on Strange New Worlds. Also too much Kirk! We don’t need him in every other episode.
That said, I thought this was a solid season. I would rate “Ad Astra Per Aspera” and “Under the Cloak of War” as both being among the top 30 or so Star Trek episodes ever made (which may sound like faint praise, but there are many, many Star Trek episodes. “The Broken Circle,” “Charades,” and “Hegemony” were the lows of the season for me, but none of them come even close to being as bad as last season’s “All Those Who Wander.” Right now, I would say my favourite character is Uhura (which is surprising, given that I didn’t want legacy characters on this series, but Celia Rose Gooding plays her really well).
Bring on season 3!
@22 said: This season was still basically episodic, but its episodes mostly relied on ongoing character threads or the revisiting of past continuity elements, with less in the way of new concepts. It feels like the writers are falling back into the conventional habits of modern TV writing.
I like the balance they struck between “mission-of-the-week” and character continuity. One of the producers talked about how the lack of continuity in previous Trek series led to things like Kirk losing the love of his life in “City on the Edge of Forever” and being totally all right in the next episode. Hell, he loses Edith and Sam in the same year! Having consequences and story points bleed into subsequent episodes isn’t just how serialized drama works – it’s more or less how real lives work. Sure, you may do a different thing at work every week, but it’s not as though you don’t carry the thoughts and experiences you’ve had forward with you. That’s something we really don’t see until DS9, Trek TV-wise. Sure, Picard joins the poker game at the end of “All Good Things …” but it’s not really a result of gradual growth – it’s a lurch forward at the end of the series. That’s one thing I’m grateful to Nicholas Meyer for. He really introduced the idea that our Trek main characters could grow in ways we didn’t expect and that they could grow in directions that the show (and first movie) didn’t allow.
@24/Twels – I’ve got to disagree with you about Picard’s gradual growth; I think that his change from the antisocial, child-hating hard-ass we saw in the first season was quite a noticeable thread throughout the series.
@25 has a point about Picard. It’s been a while since I watched the show in any kind of sequence rather than purely episodically. I stand by the rest of my statement, though (at least until convinced otherwise and maybe a little bit after that if I’m being honest).
I would want a season with more episodes if the purpose was to provide us with a little more strange New worlds and fewer gimmicks. And I have been a fan of fan service in the past, but this series doesn’t seem to have any other purpose . Oh look there’s Jim Kirk. Oh look, Spock and Chapel are canoodling. Oh hey, look, it’s Scotty. I thought the second half of the season really bogged down with all of the gimmickery, especially with that execreble musical episode. Yes, I know many loved it. I thought it was awkward and cute like a Care Bear. And I’m not a fan of how they seem to be pushing to make Captain Pike a bit of a wuss. His do-nothing approach to the knowledge that M-Benga is a murderer was disappointing, as was his deer in the headlights frozen stare to take us into the cliffhanger. And he’s really lucky to still have his woman considering he often doesn’t seem to have any idea what to do with one.
I still enjoyed this season for the most part and it’s a great version of Trek as compared with some other series, but I’m looking to forward to season 3 with a lot less anticipation than I was season 2….
“In T’Pring’s case, she back off from Spock when he proves unwilling to trust T’Pring with important information—to wit, that Spock had been made human by extradimensional aliens in “Charades.” Spock disguised himself to pretend to still be Vulcan for the sake of meeting T’Pring’s parents, but T’Pring herself should’ve been in on it.”
Spock was about to bring her in on it when she noted that she’d have to do a mind meld with her mother after the ceremony.
I’m a bit surprised the end of the episode didn’t highlight the fact that the temporarily human Spock was operating according to logic (don’t loop in someone who will be required to open her mind to the person you’re trying to fool), and the Vulcan T’Pring responded with an essentially emotional reaction. (One well within the established Vulcan range of things like “don’t speak for twenty years over a career choice”. Clearly Surak never ruled out passive aggression.)
It’s not a bad character choice for T’Pring, who after all has to be willing to compass not only Spock’s death but an innocent Starfleet officer’s in the future over how things go. And Spock is in fact hiding other more pertinent things like his eye wandering towards Christine, which T’Pring is certainly picking up on on some level even if she hasn’t sussed the specifics. “You’re not telling me things” is an entirely legitimate complaint even if the overt issue isn’t the right one.
(And speaking of sitcoms, I don’t think “We were on a break” is going to go over any better for Spock than it did for Ross Gellar. Following up with “but she broke up with me”… well, its easy to see how that ends with a kal-i-fee.)
@19 “Is nepotism alive and well, because I can think of no other explanation?”
Strictly speaking, yes in the case of Mariner. (Though not Boimler.)
“This is on the basis of a remark by Boimler, who can only know Spock by reputation, several generations removed.”
While he certainly hasn’t met Spock before Those Old Scientists (or he’d never shut up about it), Boimler could have, or could still. LD takes place in 2380-81 so far. Spock disappears into the Kelvin timeline in 2387.
I think some of the negativity in the comments regarding the supposedly bad episodes in this show lies in the familiarity with Trek as a whole. This is not criticising anyone personally, more a comment on the way Trek has had so many shows over so many decades that Star Trek has developed its own type of show. I went into the show with the mindset that the show did not have Trek’s real-life history and viewed it as a single series, not the seventh series of a franchise (I do this with all the shows), and, in that regard, the episodes work well. If the two seasons of Strange New Worlds constituted one season of a show with no preceding shows, it is a definitive success which would not rely on its name to continue to be made (and yes, I do mean TNG’s first season).
As to this season, I felt the episodes fell into the TNG pattern of alternating character spotlight episodes, developing each character while also giving each actor their chance to shine. In this, it works, from the obvious of Spock exploring his human side, to the unexpected of M’Benga committing murder (although I’m not a fan of Protocol 12 turning him into an augment. He and Chapel taking out a whole section of Klingons and Starfleet soldiers reminded me of Borderland), and all in-between.
@24/twels: “I like the balance they struck between “mission-of-the-week” and character continuity.”
Sure, and they struck that balance in season 1 as well. But the point is that season 1 had more creativity and originality on the mission side, offering multiple new cultures, settings, and situations that affected and informed the characters’ arcs. Season 2’s situations mostly arose from the characters themselves, from established species like Klingons, Illyrians, Vulcans, Orions, and Gorn, and from crossover characters like Kirk, Scott, Boimler, and Mariner. The only novel alien culture we got a substantial look at was the Kalar, and they weren’t technically new. And the few alien landscapes we glimpsed were mostly drab, barren rocks.
I continue to enjoy STSNW, but I don’t understand all the longing for more of Number One; I’d much rather see more of Ortegas. After two seasons, I’m still waiting for an Ortegas episode (yes, I know she “flies the ship” :))
And contrary to most commenters, I found Charade to be one of my favourite episodes. Not for the pretend to Vulcan shenanigans, but for the meeting of families and critique sessions. T’Pring is really bringing it and I love it every time she shows up.
The Gorn I could take or leave. It seems to me that any species which can invent spaceflight must obviously be intelligent, and we know now that they can communicate with the Federation, so its weird that our crew often speaks of them as unreasoning animals which can only be fought or contained.
Count me as another vote for more exploration. One of my pet peeves about much of Trek is how easy it is to communicate with and travel back to the core Federation worlds. If it was that convenient then those places would have long been explored already in my opinion. The five year missions and so on only work if the ship is so far away it has to act independently for most of that time.
“The Gorn I could take or leave. It seems to me that any species which can invent spaceflight must obviously be intelligent, and we know now that they can communicate with the Federation, so its weird that our crew often speaks of them as unreasoning animals which can only be fought or contained.”
This is very clearly a long game of dramatic irony that the show is playing with the audience and “Arena.” It really should be appreciated that what the characters say is not always what the characters believe, and what the characters believe is not always what the writers believe, nor what the writers have established to be correct about their own creation.
Anyway, it’s hard for me to separate one season from the other as they are so clearly the product of the same minds. I tend to think that for this season, the lows were lower (“Lotus Eaters,” “Tranlsation,” to some extent the premiere and the finale) and the highs were higher (crossover, “Rhapsody,” “Tomorrow^3,” and of course “Ad Astra”). If I have any dissatisfaction, it’s the same kind of feeling as when I have a delicious meal that’s not quite large or filling enough.
One thing that was very helpful for me in processing the role of this show was something that Dave Blass over on Picard actually said. He was speaking of production design, but it seemed an interesting sort of general ethos–Star Trek is approached not as science fiction, but as historical fiction. The entertainment value in having first “Discovery” and then SNW being set in this fictional time frame is to appreciate, re-examine, and yes even re-interpret the moments that led us to fall in love with TOS, TNG, etc. I think one of the reasons that the crossover works so well is because LD *explicitly* treats the rest of Trek as its own history, so the shows already have a similar sense of humor and reason for being.
@33 said: And the few alien landscapes we glimpsed were mostly drab, barren rocks.
That was something I definitely took note of in “Among the Lotus Eaters.” During that episode, the limits of the “volume” technology they’ve used to create CGI environs seemed to be on full display. There were a couple scenes in particular (the one at the rock quarry especially stands out) where it seemed like you could see the “seams” because Anson Mount was standing too close to the video screen wall. This is definitely a technology that shows like “The Mandalorian” have used better.
I definitely would like to see some more planet-bound adventures as the show goes on.
One thing that has consistently bugged me over the course of this show is how empty the hallways of the Enterprise are compared with the original series, when there were always half a dozen extras milling about. In reality, COVID-19 probably played a role in that. In-universe, Pike’s crew complement (203) is less than half of what it was (430) when Kirk took over. That seems like a story worth telling, now that I think about it ..
@34/vinsentient: “If it was that convenient then those places would have long been explored already in my opinion. The five year missions and so on only work if the ship is so far away it has to act independently for most of that time.”
Not necessarily. There are, depending on which site you believe, anywhere from 10,000 to 60,000 known stars within 100 light years of Sol. It’s now believed nearly every star has a planetary system. Let’s conservatively say there are 10,000 planetary systems in that volume. If Starfleet visited a new one every week, it would take nearly 200 years to visit them all even once. It would take much, much longer to conduct a thorough scientific examination of all of them.
Still, I agree that modern shows have forgotten the intention of TOS that interstellar travel should be a lengthy, challenging journey rather than a casual, quick commute. That’s the whole thing the “Trek” part was intended to convey. Modern writers have forgotten what it’s like to live in a world where travel to distant places was difficult and time-consuming.
@36/twels: “There were a couple scenes in particular (the one at the rock quarry especially stands out) where it seemed like you could see the “seams” because Anson Mount was standing too close to the video screen wall. This is definitely a technology that shows like “The Mandalorian” have used better.”
In season 1, it seemed to me that they tended to design sets with circular edges or barriers where the LED wall began.
“In-universe, Pike’s crew complement (203) is less than half of what it was (430) when Kirk took over. That seems like a story worth telling, now that I think about it ..”
I always figured it was due to improvements in life support systems, but that’s hard to reconcile with how advanced the ship is in SNW, and how it has these TNG-style luxuries like giant crew quarters and a shipboard bar.
I guess the Gorn are like Harry’s species in Resident Alien – the young ones are animalistic and violent, and mature into sentient adult forms.
@37 said: Still, I agree that modern shows have forgotten the intention of TOS that interstellar travel should be a lengthy, challenging journey rather than a casual, quick commute. That’s the whole thing the “Trek” part was intended to convey. Modern writers have forgotten what it’s like to live in a world where travel to distant places was difficult and time-consuming.
The area of communication is where I note this the most. In TOS, there are plenty of times where Kirk and crew are out of communications range with Starfleet and messages will take days or weeks to get a reply. There has been some lip service given to relays and other devices to speed up communications, but Pike seems to not have the same difficulty in talking with his superiors that his successor had, which is a little odd. Then again, Pike also doesn’t seem to have to walk up to wall panels and push a button (or mash a button on his chair) when he wants to talk with anyone aboard the ship either
I would enjoy more episodes per season as much as anyone, but I don’t think Paramount Plus is going to spend any more money on this show, so I don’t think the budget is there for a longer season. If they tried to make more episodes anyway, I think that would result in even fewer “strange new worlds,” not more.
@40/David Pirtle – Given that this appears to be one of Paramount+’s most popular series (they don’t publish viewership numbers, but apparently it’s been in top 10 for streaming overall), I wouldn’t actually be surprised if they did give it more episodes. It seems a safer bet then developing another new series.
@41 said: @40/David Pirtle – Given that this appears to be one of Paramount+’s most popular series (they don’t publish viewership numbers, but apparently it’s been in top 10 for streaming overall), I wouldn’t actually be surprised if they did give it more episodes. It seems a safer bet then developing another new series.
There may be a couple issues with that. Firstly, if I recall correctly, the 10-episode seasons were a compromise to get Anson Mount on board to reprise the Pike role as he didn’t like the long shooting schedule of the 14-episode season of Discovery he did. So there’s that hurdle. There are only so many times you can get away with the Captain being “off on leave” or “on Starbase 5 for a meeting with top brass.” This season’s early episodes showed the problem with that approach.
I’m not sure how much of an issue it is that many of the other actors on the show have other gigs (Christina Chong trying for a singing career, Rebecca Romijn hosting a reality show, etc.). But that’s got to figure in somehow.
Also, I imagine the per-episode cost of this show is pretty high. That said, with the strike being an issue maybe there’s room somehow for seasons 3 and 4 to be shot in quick succession or something
@40/David Pirtle: “I don’t think the budget is there for a longer season.”
Discovery had longer seasons, though I think its final one is 10 episodes.
@42/twels: “There are only so many times you can get away with the Captain being “off on leave” or “on Starbase 5 for a meeting with top brass.””
There were a number of DS9 episodes that Sisko only had a single token scene in, or that most of the regular cast had only a token appearance in while the story focused on just two or three of them. Like I said, the whole reason ensemble shows caught on is because they ease the burden on lead actors to carry the whole thing.
And it’s hardly uncommon for certain scenes in an episode to be shot after the normal shooting schedule, due to availability issues and the like. They could do a few episodes where Pike has only one or two scenes, and film his scenes in those all together while he’s available. And they could spread them out over the season. The only reason it was a problem in the first few is because they were consecutive — and because they were the first few. Distribute them in the middle of the season and it’s less obvious.
@43 said: They could do a few episodes where Pike has only one or two scenes, and film his scenes in those all together while he’s available. And they could spread them out over the season. The only reason it was a problem in the first few is because they were consecutive — and because they were the first few. Distribute them in the middle of the season and it’s less obvious.
I’d have to look back further into DS9 and TNG, but my recollection is that most of those “nearly-Captain-free” episodes were not among my favorites. To me the absence of the show’s lead almost instantly relegates those episodes to feeling like filler.
@44/twels: “To me the absence of the show’s lead almost instantly relegates those episodes to feeling like filler.”
That is a strange way of looking at a series that was always ensemble-oriented from the word go. It wasn’t named Star Trek: Sisko.
I’ll grant that DS9 had more room to do Captain-free stories based on its setting and more political story structure. N
It became a poor imitation of The Orville
@44- I was okay with episodes that didn’t necessarily feature the captain, especially in DS9. I found Avery Brooks to be slightly distracting with his weird mannerisms etc. And DS9 had the most densely-packed, intricate, compelling world-building of any Trek series, and it’s not close.. As for TNG, Patrick Stewart was always worth watching, but honestly, the supporting cast was pretty damn good and I was okay with episodes that didn’t necessarily feature him.
#38 Traveller did something similar with the Hivers. There they drop larvae anywhere and think nothing of it. Any that survive their first year on their own are welcomed in but before that, they’re though of more as pests than as members of their species have no compunction about eliminating them when the need arises. They don’t recognize their own young either so there isn’t any connection to any individual.
This could be an interesting way to approach the mess that they’ve made out of the Gorn so far.
Accusing Star Trek of ripping off The Orville is like accusing Dr Pepper of copying the cool, refreshing taste of Dr Skipper
I was going to respond to Ollie’s comment #47, but jaimebabb’s comment #50 sums it up perfectly.
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
I’m reminded of the people who accused the John Carter movie of ripping off Star Wars.
I’m always up for gritty edgy Star Trek storylines, but I found the need to turn both of the ship’s star healers into cold blooded, rabid killers a bit much. And I find it rather cheating to make M’Benga’s guilt for being a Natural Born Killer as motivation to be healer to be too Hollywood-glib. Plenty of army doctors are doctors for the same reason others are: they grew up wanting to be doctor and then became a doctor.
Did McCoy ever kill anyone intentionally? It feels absurd just thinking that question.
Quoth beautiful_downgrade: “Did McCoy ever kill anyone intentionally? It feels absurd just thinking that question.”
Yes, he did, on at least three occasions. 1) He euthanized his father, as revealed in the movie The Final Frontier. 2) He killed the salt vampire in the very first episode of Star Trek that aired, “The Man Trap.” 3) He helped Spock rejigger a torpedo that was then used to kill a ship full of Klingons in the movie The Undiscovered Country.
—Keith R.A. DeCandido
I think SNW is a “just okay” series so far. For me it tends to fall into the zone that Star Trek: Voyager once occupied — an overall decent watch that can sometimes go off the rails, isn’t taking full advantage of what a Star Trek series can do, but the characters are likable enough to keep watching. Like TV bubblegum, more or less.
I just hope in the future, whenever this series returns, the “big swings” they take are more orientated towards original sci-fi concepts than gimmicky one-offs. Better aliens, too. As much as I’d like to be a Gorn-again Trekkie, that lizard ain’t gonna hunt.
@53/54: If we’re counting The Undiscovered Country (where McCoy is partly responsible at most, since the torpedo he modifies isn’t actually the one that destroys the Klingon ship), we should probably count “Operation: Annihilate”, where McCoy helps develop the light beam that kills the alien parasites and supervises the tests that kill the samples on the Enterprise. (It’s not clear if they’re sentient but it’s not clear if they’re not either.)
I enjoyed season 2 more than season 1. The series is very strong on the characters. Love the cast. The musical episode, the PTSD episode, the courtroom episode were amazing. The finale was a bit of a clunker. Hopefully they conclude the cliffhanger at the beginning of season 3 and move on from the gorn for good.
As others have said, I would prefer if the series focuses on its own characters and stories rather than trying to be a prequel and fit in with everything. We have Kirk showing up as a semi-regular now, and Scotty just joined. It wouldn’t surprise me if they eventually decide to keep the show going as a TOS reboot/remake/reimagining after the tenure of Pike/Number One/La’an is up and put Paul Wesley in the captain’s chair of the Enterprise.
Unfortunately due to the writers/actors strikes, season 3 probably won’t launch until at least 2025.I hope they can come up with some really amazing stories as I’m really looking forward to it. And I hope the success of SNW also cements the idea that Star Trek primarily works best as an episodic show, rather than the serialized, high stakes stuff we saw in Discovery and Picard and most other prestige shows on the air today.
@56/cap-mjb: I hadn’t realized that the torpedo McCoy worked on didn’t actually destroy the ship. That slightly ameliorates something I’ve always hated, but it’s a technicality at best — and it’s still stupid as hell to have a doctor work on a torpedo instead of an engineer or weapons officer.
As for the flying pancakes, I tend to assume they’re something like those fungi that take over insects’ brains and compel them to act in ways that will help propagate the fungi. Something doesn’t need to be sentient to affect behavior toward a specific goal. Although they did seem to be a hive mind, so the collective mass of them may have been intelligent to some degree.
As far as second seasons go, I’d say this one worked pretty well. Better than Discovery’s second season, and miles above Picard S2.
The way I see it, Trek has always had a bit of rotten luck with their second seasons. Either they don’t find their groove until season 3, or they come out fully formed in season 1. TNG and DS9 were still finding their identity, with a lot of ups and downs. Case in point, TNG season 2 had bottom of the barrel stuff like “Unnatural Selection” and “The Child”, while it also had franchise top tier Trek like “Q Who” and “The Emissary”. Meanwhile, VOY and ENT had mostly disastrous season 2 experiences (with ENT finding a second wind just at the very end prior to the Xindi retooling). Animated shows aside, TOS is the only one where the second season could be considered the show’s prime. Discovery was navigating a tricky period of changing showrunners, a Burnham arc that was all over the place, for all of the buildup to be thrown aside at the end in favor of a new 32nd century setting. And Picard S2 is 5 different plots competing for attention, none of them having lasting impact.
This year SNW decided to swing for the fences. Very, very broad swings. And I’d say most of them landed. I can’t say this approach would work again whenever we get season 3. Very doubtful, even for a show as episodic as this that they can recreate the latter half’s wild pivots. Going from a Lower Decks crossover to Klingon war scars episode to a fully formed musical, and still maintain that quality? Impressive, for sure. But I doubt they can keep that up in the future.
Like @Christopher, I feel the show took a break from actually exploring. Loved the Rigel VII sci-fi amnesia concept, and I wish the show had done more of that.
Even though the show embraced the episodic approach, it should be noted SNW has been a LOT more character-focused than TOS ever was. TOS had the Kirk/Spock/McCoy trifecta, but they didn’t really evolve (which is still more than anyone can say about the rest of the crew). There weren’t any ongoing arcs. You didn’t see second season Kirk dealing with the loss of Edith Keeler in episodes like “Catspaw” or “Friday’s Child”. You didn’t see Spock grappling with his newfound happiness going from “This Side of Paradise” to “Devil in the Dark”. Or McCoy’s terminal illness and miraculous recovery in season 3.
But by having ongoing arcs like La’an’s pining for Kirk, Spock and Chapel’s romance, and M’Benga’s war scars, SNW has somewhat pinned itself in a corner where it has to craft new episodes that advance these stories. Which means that even with the wild pivots, the show can’t always afford to indulge in pure exploration, like classic TOS or even TNG episodes where any character arc was rightfully given to the guest star of the week. I would kill for the SNW equivalent of an episode like “Darmok” or even VOY’s “Distant Origin”.
There was definitely a good thing to come out of this season that’s a direct result of the character arc approach, and that’s La’an. She blossomed this season in a way she hadn’t the year before. Her rapport with Kirk and ongoing struggle to live with herself and her legacy gave the season a lot of backbone.
Same with Uhura. Given two spotlight episodes this season, and a lot of room to expand and become the integral part of the ship that deep down she was always, but was never afforded in TOS. A character that always deserved more and is finally being given her due. Nichols would have been proud (I wonder if Whoopi Goldberg watches SNW).
I also applaud the way the show dared to challenge fan preconceptions of TOS backstory, especially in the Spock/Chapel side of things, and make it all work dramatically as well as it did.
Lastly, I would very much support longer seasons. Mount can have all the issues he wants. But as pointed out, as ensemble oriented as this show is, he doesn’t have to bear the brunt of the storytelling and filming the way Shatner and Nimoy had to in the ’60s. 10 episodes is just too short. I mentioned this before. Walking Dead seasons go for 16 episodes (and those serialized shows usually doesn’t have enough story for that many). It would be perfect for something this episodic. A 16 episode season would be just right. Not too brief, and not too dragged out either. Enterprise’s last two seasons felt just right with 24 and 22 episodes, already far more manageable than 26. With 26, you always get a really bad episode in the bunch.
25) We definitely see a softening of Picard over time, as he becomes more comfortable with his crew and the families onboard. The “Captain Picard Day” scene in which Riker teases Picard and Picard responds in kind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKwAS1qaCk) is much different from the Picard/Riker interactions early on in the series.
@59/Eduardo: “But by having ongoing arcs like La’an’s pining for Kirk, Spock and Chapel’s romance, and M’Benga’s war scars, SNW has somewhat pinned itself in a corner where it has to craft new episodes that advance these stories. Which means that even with the wild pivots, the show can’t always afford to indulge in pure exploration…”
That’s a false dichotomy. The trick is to come up with external plots that reflect and inform what the characters are going through personally — like the way “Children of the Comet” offered an exotic and interesting alien setting that was also a catalyst for Uhura to work through her doubts. It’s no different from any modern procedural show where the episodic investigation of the week just happens to resonate with whatever the detectives are currently going through in their serialized personal arcs.
If Captain Angel does return, I want them to be confronted by Ortegas who says, “There’s only room enough on this ship for one snarky queer.” And then Ortegas knocks them out with a single punch.
Rather than individual episodes that are good or bad, I feel like SNW has specific characters and relationships that it handles well (or not) and this is at least partly due to the writer’s tendency to tell rather than show us things that happen with more minor characters.
For example, Pike and Spock get a lot of showing to flesh out their characters: Pike cooks and has deep conversations about his future, Spock’s repeated “you do not die” when Chapel isn’t waking up demonstrates some his changing relationship with his own feelings and with her.
In contrast, we’re told that Ortegas flies the ship and but we haven’t dug into much of her backstory so it’s hard to care that she wants to go on an away mission.
Chapel and Spock’s relationship switches from showing to telling basically when he and T’Pring start their break. We had a short scene about Chapel concluding that Boimler’s future info means that she and Spock don’t last long but we don’t see Spock and Chapel react to that as a couple. Spock says, “I seem to be making things worse” regarding her PTSD but we don’t actually see him do that. Them breaking up was as much of a surprise to me as it was to Spock and as a viewer, it was hard to care that they did
Don’t get me started on T’Pring in the original series. If you assume that her options are to call for a trial by combat or have a lot of sex with her hormone-driven and estranged husband, it’s harder to blame her. T’Pau says she’ll be Spock’s property, but that point in time, does Spock even want to be married to her when he isn’t under the control of his biology?
I suspect that making the super logical culture have a weird, sex-related weakness is fun for the writers until fans look closely at it and start nitpicking.
@61 said: It’s no different from any modern procedural show where the episodic investigation of the week just happens to resonate with whatever the detectives are currently going through in their serialized personal arcs.
I actually thought that SNW did a good-to-great job accomplishing that balancing act this season. I’m thinking of moments like Boimler accidentally telling Chapel that Spock’s experiment with emotion ends and what spun out of that with her pulling back from him in the subsequent two episodes. For all that I thought “Broken Circle” was not the best way to launch the season, it did leave some breadcrumbs for the rest of the season to follow up on.
I’m not so sure I’d want to see Trek go full-on procedural without continuing threads (and I’m not saying that’s what you’re arguing for, but I’ve seen some reviews arguing that SNW should effectively jettison episode-to-episode continuity). Sure, there’s room for using this week’s situation to help reflect on what’s currently going on in the characters’ lives (and you cited a couple great examples) but taken too far, it leads to the kinds of clumsy plotting that has infected the once-great “Law & Order” franchise where we meet Detective So-and-so’s estranged family just in time for that detective to handle a case similar to the one that ripped their family asunder ..
@65/twels: “I actually thought that SNW did a good-to-great job accomplishing that balancing act this season.”
As I’ve said, I don’t agree, since the stories came from the characters rather than being exploration stories that resonated with the characters. M’hanit and the Shepherds in “Children of the Comet” had an interesting story of their own in parallel to Uhura’s character story, but the sci-fi catalyst in “Those Old Scientists” was just a hoop on a barren rock, nothing more than an excuse to bring established characters together, with nothing intrinsically interesting about it. The Illyrian colony in “Ghosts of Illyria” had its own distinct story about the colonists’ attempted de-enhancement that resonated with Una’s parallel story on the ship, while “Ad Astra Per Aspera” was exclusively about Una’s story.
So there was much, much less balance in season 2. The original worldbuilding and science fiction storytelling suffered relative to season 1, and there was much more emphasis on continuity and revisiting legacy characters. The one planet-of-the-week story we got was itself a revisit of a continuity thread, for all that it managed to work in some fresh ideas in the process.
“taken too far, it leads to the kinds of clumsy plotting that has infected the once-great “Law & Order” franchise where we meet Detective So-and-so’s estranged family just in time for that detective to handle a case similar to the one that ripped their family asunder ..”
Oh, absolutely. I hate the contrivance of the cases of the week always resonating with what the characters are currently going through. Fringe did it so much that the characters even remarked on the coincidence once and wondered if there was some weird cosmic causal phenomenon behind it. (Lucifer did it extremely blatantly, but there I figured God was nudging things along to help teach his estranged son to become a better person.)
But like anything else, the fact that it’s often done poorly doesn’t mean it can’t be done well. It’s a natural part of the writing process to develop a story with a mind toward how it reveals and develops its characters. The stories don’t have to arise directly from the characters in order to matter to them.
@66 said: The original worldbuilding and science fiction storytelling suffered relative to season 1, and there was much more emphasis on continuity and revisiting legacy characters
As much as I liked seeing Scotty, I agree that there was too much of a focus on Kirk this season. I’m concerned that the storyline seems to be prematurely shifting from the voyages of the Enterprise under Captain Pike to “how Captain Kirk eventually becomes captain of the Enterprise.”
@67/twels: Yeah, I think they’re rushing into things. Although the Kirk episodes are all pretty good, setting him up should’ve ideally waited another season or two. He took away screentime that could’ve been devoted to developing Una, Ortegas, or Pelia, say.
Also, to beat the drum again, three Kirk episodes would’ve felt less excessive in a 15- or 18-episode season than a 10-episode season.
My spouse and I would totally enjoy a Star Trek: Law & Order starring Emergency Legal Hologram.
&68 said: Also, to beat the drum again, three Kirk episodes would’ve felt less excessive in a 15- or 18-episode season than a 10-episode season.
To beat my own drum, I guess I gotta counter with the fact that 5 or 6 “Pike-lite” episodes might have felt even more excessive than the three Kirk appearances in this season.
@69 said: My spouse and I would totally enjoy a Star Trek: Law & Order starring Emergency Legal Hologram
I don’t know – I always liked the spin-off, Star Trek: Law & Order: Starfleet Victims Unit, featuring Jack McCoy’s distant descendant, Leonard, a little better …
@70/twels: “To beat my own drum, I guess I gotta counter with the fact that 5 or 6 “Pike-lite” episodes might have felt even more excessive than the three Kirk appearances in this season.”
Completely different. This isn’t the Pike show; it’s an ensemble series with seven other main-title regulars who could carry episodes, two of whom, Una and Ortegas, have been consistently underutilized in these 10-episode seasons. Episodes that don’t focus on Pike are no worse than episodes that don’t focus on Una or La’an, say. The goal is to have more episodes to develop the entire ensemble.
If they had proper away team episodes, it would even make sense if Pike stayed on the ship. It could also give Una more to do.
They’re also spoiled for choice in terms of actors as I think (almost?) everyone could carry an episode. They could also go for a late Stargate style and cycle through pairs, which would also be fun. So long as they had a solid backbone of ensemble episodes.
@71 said: This isn’t the Pike show; it’s an ensemble series with sevenother main-title regulars who could carry episodes, two of whom, Una and Ortegas, have been consistently underutilized in these 10-episode seasons.
To me, that’s essentially the same argument as saying that TNG isn’t called “Picard,” except that it really was him making decisions a bunch of the time. Whether we like it or not, Trek series (other than possibly DS9) have really settled into being about 2-3 characters for the most part, with the other actors in the main cast supporting. TNG eventually settled into a situation where Picard, Data and Worf were the featured characters (with Worf a distant third). Enterprise was Archer, T’Pol and Trip. Discovery early on was Michael Burnham, Lorca/Pike, and Saru, with the other characters supporting, IMHO. The common denominator here is that it is the captain who is the chief decision maker – even when he isn’t the main character. Sure there are episodes in which someone else is forced to make a choice but they still report to the captain. Authority creates drama.
Even in the episodes where other characters were featured in TNG, Picard occupies a lot of space. And I’d argue that most of the best episodes of TNG revolve around him and that a lot of the lesser “filler” episodes tend to be the ones that revolve around the likes of Geordi, Troi, Wesley, etc. But I am willing to consider a counter argument, as it’s been a while since I’ve watched TNG on anything other than a “here’s a great episode to show my kids” basis.
I’d also note that part of my bias comes from being a huge Original Series fan – and that show was DEFINITELY the Kirk and Spock Show
@73/twels: “To me, that’s essentially the same argument as saying that TNG isn’t called “Picard,” except that it really was him making decisions a bunch of the time.”
So what? DS9, as I’ve mentioned, had plenty of Sisko-light episodes. Discovery didn’t even have the captain as its main character in the first three seasons, nor does Lower Decks. How does it make sense to judge one show by what a different show did? Don’t we want them to be distinct from one another?
“Whether we like it or not, Trek series (other than possibly DS9) have really settled into being about 2-3 characters for the most part, with the other actors in the main cast supporting. TNG eventually settled into a situation where Picard, Data and Worf were the featured characters (with Worf a distant third).”
I don’t agree that that was true except in the movies. The show did a good job spreading the wealth among the full ensemble.
“Enterprise was Archer, T’Pol and Trip.”
Bad example, because it was an intentional throwback to TOS — and, more importantly, because it has long been criticized for its failure to develop its supporting cast well enough.
“The common denominator here is that it is the captain who is the chief decision maker – even when he isn’t the main character.”
How does that refute my point? We’re talking about how much screen time Anson Mount gets, which has nothing to do with how important a character is to the story. Many stories are driven by characters who only appear briefly — e.g. Harry Lime in The Third Man. He’s only in a few scenes, but the whole story is driven by his offscreen actions and by how the characters react to him.
As I’ve been saying, it would be easy enough to write a few episodes per season where Pike is just seen for a couple of scenes giving orders to catalyze the story, and have Mount film those scenes all together out of sequence to be cut into the episodes later, in order to accommodate his schedule. So the character could be present in the episodes without Mount needing to spend more time away from his family. You’re treating this like an all-or-nothing question, that either Pike is present or he’s absent, but TV producers have abundant experience at finessing story structure and scheduling to conceal actor absences.
“Even in the episodes where other characters were featured in TNG, Picard occupies a lot of space. And I’d argue that most of the best episodes of TNG revolve around him and that a lot of the lesser “filler” episodes tend to be the ones that revolve around the likes of Geordi, Troi, Wesley, etc.”
Even if that were true, surely the conclusion to draw there is that the writers should’ve done better to serve the rest of the ensemble, not that it’s somehow morally correct and necessary to short-change everyone but a handful of leads.
@74 said: You’re treating this like an all-or-nothing question, that either Pike is present or he’s absent, but TV producers have abundant experience at finessing story structure and scheduling to conceal actor absences.
True – but I’d definitely say the SNW folks didn’t do it well this season – and I wouldn’t want it to happen with the top-billed actor again for such a stretch.
@74 said (re: my assertion that the best episodes of TNG generally revolves around Picard): Even if that were true, surely the conclusion to draw there is that the writers should’ve done better to serve the rest of the ensemble, not that it’s somehow morally correct and necessary to short-change everyone but a handful of leads.
Morally correct or no, TV writing typically tends to gravitate toward the “best of the bunch.” It’s why – despite Trapper John being an equal character to Hawkeye in the MASH movie, the TV writers quickly determined that Alan Alda’s Hawkeye was more compelling than Wayne Rogers’ Trapper and wrote toward him. It’s why the writers of TNG began to emphasize Data and Picard over the other characters. It has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with what makes for more compelling TV. If stories about Riker, Troi, etc. had made floor more compelling viewing, there likely would have been more of them. In the same way that if Trapper was a more compelling character, we’d have had more stories about him
@75/twels: “True – but I’d definitely say the SNW folks didn’t do it well this season – and I wouldn’t want it to happen with the top-billed actor again for such a stretch.”
That’s just it — part of doing it well is not to do it in consecutive episodes. You don’t have to shoot episodes in the order they’re aired, so you can space out the episodes where an actor is missing. In Mission: Impossible‘s 7th season, Lynda Day George was out on maternity leave for much of the season and replaced temporarily by Sharon Acker or just absent for some episodes, but they shuffled the broadcast order to intersperse the two actresses’ episodes so that George was never absent for too long.
“Morally correct or no, TV writing typically tends to gravitate toward the “best of the bunch.””
Circular argument. How can you say which characters are the “best” if there aren’t enough episodes to give them all an equal chance to prove themselves? Also, you’re now directly contradicting your own argument that the captain should always be treated as the central character by fiat. What if the captain isn’t the best character? Heck, the consensus in the ’60s was that Spock was a better character than Kirk, and if the network had gotten its way, Kirk might’ve been marginalized as much as John Robinson was in favor of Dr. Smith in Lost in Space.
I liked both seasons – indeed, Season 2 felt like the completion of a longer season for me – but when I look at them as separate, I feel like Season 2 was a bit disjointed and I too am disappointed that Captain Angel and Sybok didn’t return. Season 1 had fewer highs & fewer lows, but maintained a more balanced flow. I gave top marks to 4 episodes in Season 2 (“Ad Astra Per Aspera”, “Those Old Scientists”, “Under the Cloak of War” & “Subspace Rhapsody”), double the episodes I gave that honor to in the first year (“Spock Amok”, “The Serene Squall”) – but there were also more episodes I disliked…or which I felt had major problems. Like KRAD, I dislike both “All Those Who Wander” and “Hegemony”. When I tell people I don’t like the former they generally assume that I was as angry and disappointed about Hemmer’s death as KRAD seems to be, but I don’t mind character death in my fiction; I usually welcome it, but I was just disappointed that he didn’t die in a better episode which I might enjoy – or maybe enjoy isn’t the right word? A better episode that I might better appreciate what the writers were trying to accomplish? I don’t mind the redesign of the Gorn in theory as the look was basically established in Enterprise, but the Gorn are now so different… and these episodes both feature so many homages to the Alien franchise that they annoy me – though again, like KRAD, I enjoyed “Memento Mori” which didn’t have these problems. But in the finale, I knew right away that Captain Batel had been infected when the Gorn didn’t kill her because I’d seen Alien³. I didn’t even have to give it any thought. My partner, who has never seen the Alien films didn’t understand what was happening until later as he connected the dots, but for me, I’d seen it before. I also had problems with the first time travel episode (with Kirk and Khan) but I can’t remember what all of them are anymore – though I do remember disliking that La’an leaves a loaded gun in a child’s room, and I didn’t quite buy the La’an / Kirk angle, which felt rushed and borderline creepy to me, though I oddly didn’t mind the follow-ups which may improve me score when I get around to re-watching it. For the record, I’ve re-watched all of Season 1 and I’ve seen “Ad Astra Per Aspera” 3 times. Also, my original scores for both “A Quality of Mercy” and “The Broken Circle” changed over time as my re-watch of the former increased my enjoyment of it, and most of the issues I had with “The Broken Circle” were mostly related to unanswered questions, which were mostly answered as the season progressed. Anyways, here are my scores for the 20 episodes so far:
1×01 Strange New Worlds ****
1×02 Children of the Comet ****
1×03 Ghosts of Illyria ****
1×04 Memento Mori ****
1×05 Spock Amok *****
1×06 Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach ****
1×07 The Serene Squall *****
1×08 The Elysian Kingdom ***
1×09 All Those Who Wander **
1×10 A Quality of Mercy ****
2×01 The Broken Circle ****
2×02 Ad Astra Per Aspera *****
2×03 Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow **
2×04 Among the Lotus Eaters ***
2×05 Charades ***
2×06 Lost in Translation ****
2×07 Those Old Scientists *****
2×08 Under the Cloak of War *****
2×09 Subspace Rhapsody *****
2×10 Hegemony **
@76 said: Circular argument. How can you say which characters are the “best” if there aren’t enough episodes to give them all an equal chance to prove themselves? Also, you’re now directly contradicting your own argument that the captain should always be treated as the central character by fiat. What if the captain isn’t the best character? Heck, the consensus in the ’60s was that Spock was a better character than Kirk, and if the network had gotten its way, Kirk might’ve been marginalized as much as John Robinson was in favor of Dr. Smith in Lost in Space.
Im saying that the writers tend to gravitate toward characters with more inherent storytelling opportunities – especially in terms of more episodic TV. I’m also not saying that the captain has to be the main character, but he or she does tend to have to be a main character because they are the chief decision-maker on the ship/station/whatever. Even on “Lower Decks,” Freeman plays a pretty big role. Heck, even the TNG episode that gives “Lower Decks” its name has a pretty pivotal role for Picard, even though he’s the least-featured of the command officers in that episode.
Also, one of the jobs of a writer’s room is separating the wheat from the chaff. With 10 episodes per season, you’re prioritizing your best possible stories. I’m not saying that an all-Ortegas episode or an all-Mayweather or all-Sulu or all-Troi or all-Neelix episode is impossible to make compelling – but it is likely going to be more difficult.
I liked this season a lot more after rewatching it for the first time, probably because I knew in advance that I wouldn’t care for how it ended. Disappointing finale aside, however, this is still a very strong season of Star Trek, with a couple of incredible dramas (Ad Astra per Aspera and Under the Cloak of War), a pair of very entertaining comedies (Those Old Scientists and Subspace Rhapsody), and a few very solid adventures of the week (Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, Among the Lotus Eaters, and Lost in Translation). I still think the opener was a mixed bag, as was Charades (it’s weird that both of this show’s episodes focusing on Spock and T’Pring involve freak accidents), but overall I think it’s up there with the second season of Lower Decks as onw of my favorite seasons of the streaming era.